[INDOLOGY] International Dunhuang Project site down?

[KORN Agnes]

I agree about printing books ;-)

As for http://idp.bbaw.de, I notice that some manuscripts are indeed available (with big photos and everything), e.g. http://idp.bbaw.de/database/oo_scroll_h.a4d?uid=4383515097;recnum=122002;index=1 , http://idp.bbaw.de/database/oo_scroll_h.a4d?uid=4385781817;recnum=93242;index=3 etc.
NB that when finding e.g. “THT 4021” by the search engine, viz. http://idp.bbaw.de/database/search_results.a4d?uid=4383515097;random=2520, one needs to click onto the thumbnail photo (not on the title “Berlin-…”) to get to the right page.

However, holdings from other libraries do not seem to be available, e.g. the Pelliot manuscripts are listed (http://idp.bbaw.de/database/search_results.a4d?uid=4404409617;random=19663), but one can’t access them.

Also, some of the other IDP pages listed on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Dunhuang_Project#IDP_Centres and on http://idp.bbaw.de don’t seem to operate (e.g. the French one); it would be interesting to know whether this has something to do with the main IDP site not operating, or whether there are separate problems.

GOOD NEWS: It seems that a new IDP page replacing the British Library thing that got hacked will be launched very soon.
We’ll see whether this helps with the problems of the other web sites.

We are looking into the TITUS problem, but haven’t been able yet to get someone who can solve the problem.
Thus do use https://titus.fkidg1.uni-frankfurt.de for the moment being.

Best,
Agnes


De : Jonathan Silk [mailto:kauzeya at gmail.com]
Envoyé : vendredi, 16 février 2024 10:41
À : KORN Agnes <agnes.korn at cnrs.fr>
Cc : Walser, Joseph <Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu>; Matthew Kapstein <mattkapstein at proton.me>; indology at list.indology.info
Objet : Re: [INDOLOGY] [External] Re: INDOLOGY International Dunhuang Project site down?

My recent experience with the German site is that it will show a thumbnail but time out when you click to see the actual photos.
It's rather frustrating. However, please remember that many major libraries have (of course lower quality and black and white reproductions) published volumes with much if not all of this material, and more--huge sets published in China, not always easy to navigate, but we are not lost when internet resources disappear.
A strong argument for continuing to print on paper!

Jonathan


De : Matthew Kapstein [mailto:mattkapstein at proton.me]
Envoyé : vendredi, 16 février 2024 10:36

And, as I mentioned in a post some months ago, the Gallica site of the Bibliothèque nationale de France can be used to access Dunhuang documents in the Pelliot collection.

Matthew T. Kapstein
Professor emeritus
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, PSL Research University, Paris


On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 10:30 AM Agnes Korn via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

There are some additional IDP servers, see list on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Dunhuang_Project#IDP_Centres

among which http://idp.bbaw.de (which is operating).

I don't know whether these give access to all the images that are normally accessible idp.bl.uk<http://idp.bl.uk>.



Best wishes,
Agnes


Le 15.02.2024 à 21:17, Walser, Joseph via INDOLOGY a écrit :
Sigh. I am sorry to hear this.
My thanks to you as well as to Andrew Ollett who responded offline.
Be well,
-j


Joseph Walser

Department of Religion

Tufts University

Medford, MA 02155



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Subject: [External] Re: [INDOLOGY] INDOLOGY International Dunhuang Project site down?

Hi Joseph,

And I recall, the IDP was a victim of the huge hack of the British Library's systems last fall. Not everything has yet been restored, including, apparently, the IDP. Here's a recent account of the situation overall:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/06/hacker-british-library-cybersecurity-cybercrime-uk

best,
Matthew

Matthew T. Kapstein
Professor emeritus
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, PSL Research University, Paris
Associate
The University of Chicago Divinity School
https://ephe.academia.edu/MatthewKapstein



On Thursday, February 15th, 2024 at 8:33 PM, Walser, Joseph via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info><mailto:indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

Thanks to Agnes Korn for providing a working link to TITUS.

Next question: Is the International Dunhuang Project webpage down? I have been trying to access it all day with three different browsers and am still not reaching it. I am using idp.bl.uk<http://idp.bl.uk>. Is there a better link?
Best,


Joseph Walser

Department of Religion

Tufts University

Medford, MA 02155



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Subject: [External] Re: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Titus site unreachable due to outdated certificate


Dear all,



Yes, I saw that this morning, too.

Maybe let’s wait 1-2 days to see whether the problem disappears by itself.



In the meantime, don’t hesitate to use https://titus.fkidg1.uni-frankfurt.de, where you can find all the TITUS pages as well.



Best wishes,

Agnes





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From: François Voegeli via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>

Subject: [INDOLOGY] Titus site unreachable due to outdated certificate

Date: 13. February 2024 at 15.06.43 EET

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Reply-To: François Voegeli <francois.voegeli at gmail.com<mailto:francois.voegeli at gmail.com>>



The Titus Website is unreachable due to an outdated certificate, according to my browser (Firefox, but the same happens with the rest of the browsers I've tested):

The certificate for titus.uni-frankfurt.de<http://titus.uni-frankfurt.de> expired on 2/11/2024.

Error code: SEC_ERROR_EXPIRED_CERTIFICATE

I do not have Gippert's email anymore and thus can't contact him.
Can someone warn him, if he is still in charge, or if he is not anymore, the one who is in charge now.

Thanks in advance.

F. Voegeli

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