[INDOLOGY] [External] Re: Whitney and doubling of "ch"

Sun Oct 22 00:27:53 UTC 2023

American English often changes ’t’ to ‘d’.

Example: better is pronounced ‘bedder’.

get along -> ged along, and thousands more.

> On Oct 21, 2023, at 2:50 PM, Collins, Brian via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Yes, American English. There’s variation there, but dentals tend to lose aspiration in words like that. But I’m from the American south, so maybe it’s just how we talk down there.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2023, at 4:11 PM, Valerie Roebuck <vjroebuck at btinternet.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  Do you mean in American English? It certainly doesn’t in British English.
>> 
>> Valerie J Roebuck
>> Manchester, UK
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 21 Oct 2023, at 19:02, Collins, Brian via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Except for our internal sandhi makes “heatable” sound like “heedable.”
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 21, 2023, at 1:38 PM, Royce Wiles via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Use caution with links and attachments.
>>>> For English speakers an example (made up) could be how we would pronounce these
>>>> 
>>>> heatable (i.e., able to be heated)
>>>> heat+table
>>>> 
>>>>> On 22 Oct 2023, at 05:54, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> In geminates like क्क, according to the Pratishakhyas, the contact in the first consonant is not released, and the same contact as the first consonant continues to be held longer till it is released slightly later. In such cases, the first consonant is called अभिनिधान. [स्पर्शस्य स्पर्शेऽभिनिधान:]
>>>>> 
>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>>>> Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, India
>>>>> 
>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 9:49 AM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>>>>> Very clear. Thanks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Oct 2023, 12:36 Hock, Hans Henrich via INDOLOGY, <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Somewhere along the line something seems to have gone wrong with the email address for the Indology List. This is an attempt to get the correct info back into the conversation thread.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> HHH
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From: "Hock, Hans Henrich via INDOLOGY" <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Whitney and doubling of "ch"
>>>>>>>> Date: October 21, 2023 at 11:28:56 CDT
>>>>>>>> To: Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com <mailto:vasishtha.spier at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>> Cc: McComas Taylor via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>, "ndology at list.indology.info <mailto:ndology at list.indology.info>" <ndology at list.indology.info <mailto:ndology at list.indology.info>>
>>>>>>>> Reply-To: "Hock, Hans Henrich" <hhhock at illinois.edu <mailto:hhhock at illinois.edu>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> In a geminate, the consonant duration is longer and is distributed over two syllables; the first part forms the coda of the preceding syllable (and, if the vowel of that syllable is short, make the syllable heavy), the second part is the onset of the following syllable. (A geminate, however, is not a double consonant, in the sense that each part is released; rather the articulatory gesture for the consonant is held constant during the geminate.)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I hope this helps; please excuse the somewhat technical language.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> HHH
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2023, at 03:44, Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com <mailto:vasishtha.spier at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I asked if in the Rg-veda as chanted today, it is gachati or gacchati that is chanted and Madhav answered that in this youtube recording https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvk2JxmD7zI <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvk2JxmD7zI__;!!DZ3fjg!8FlAwo5r4YEjyYFgm1CcNqmAImPqcnnRcZhHLIdakLyfW9oZDgQ1ONi8tRyhN-hyXQKW8bWU61DBm4e9JEEPJOiAUT4$> he  heard gacchati.  But then I realized I'm not clear what the difference in pronounciation between a geminate and a non-geminate is.  In other words is the difference in pronounciation between gachati / gacchati ,  patra / pattra ,  karma / karmma etc. just that the geminated syllable is held longer than if it was non-geminated or is it more like gach-ati / gach-chati , pa-tra /pat-tra , kar-ma /karm-ma
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Harry Spier
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 6:16 PM Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu <mailto:mmdesh at umich.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In this recitation, I hear गच्छति, rather than गछति.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvk2JxmD7zI <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvk2JxmD7zI__;!!DZ3fjg!8FlAwo5r4YEjyYFgm1CcNqmAImPqcnnRcZhHLIdakLyfW9oZDgQ1ONi8tRyhN-hyXQKW8bWU61DBm4e9JEEPJOiAUT4$>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>>>>>>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>>>>>>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>>>>>>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>>>>>>>>> Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, India
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 1:57 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> To clarify one point. In the Rg-veda  as its chanted today, is whats chanted gacchati or gachati.
>>>>>>>>>>> Harry Spier
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