[INDOLOGY] Sanskrit in ChatGPT

[Ananya Vajpeyi]

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On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 1:27 PM Valerie Roebuck <vjroebuck at btinternet.com>
wrote:

> I don’t think we have a great deal to worry about while it produces a love
> story about a young lady with more than two eyes.
>
> Valerie J Roebuck
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 28 Nov 2023, at 03:11, Ananya Vajpeyi via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> 
> To my mind, the more pressing question is whether AI will imminently
> obviate our work as teachers, linguists, translators and philologists, and
> render us completely redundant in any sort of pedagogical role.
> AV.
>
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 8:13 AM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Minor clarification.  The examples I gave are from Google Translate not
>> ChaptGPT but clearly what you say makes sense to that also.
>>  I'm wondering how does an AI application learn how to translate a
>> language.  Do human beings program in a bunch of translation rules of how
>> to translate language x to language y  and then these human beings refine
>> the rules over time.  Or is there a kind of general artificial intelligence
>> programmed into a computer that is just fed thousands of sentences and
>> their translations and from that it learns how to translate language x to
>> language y and with more sentences fed in, it itself refines its
>> translation ability.? In other words learning language translation almost
>> like a human being, by practice.
>>
>> Harry Spier
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 5:39 PM Antonia Ruppel <antonia.ruppel at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The use of the past active participle to render the English past active
>>> is to be expected: it’s the standard/most common way to render the past
>>> tense in modern/spoken Sanskrit as taught eg by Samskrta Bharati, and I
>>> assume that that’s the sort of Sanskrit that ChatGPT is trained on. Not
>>> applying external sandhi also is not uncommon in modern Sanskrit, at least
>>> as used by those who aren’t complete masters of the language the way eg
>>> Madhav is.
>>>
>>> Antonia
>>>
>>> On Mon 27 Nov 2023 at 23:29, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Madhav wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I hear that students are already beginning to use Google-Translator to
>>>>> do their Sanskrit homework.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just did a little experiment.  Taking a few of the english
>>>> translations in Apte's  "The Student's Guide to Sanskrit Composition" and
>>>> comparing what Google Translator gave as a sanskrit translation of these,
>>>> and comparing to the original sanskrit quotes .  A couple of surprising
>>>> things stood out.  Surprising because these are fundamental things nothing
>>>> subtle.  Google translator seems to use sanskrit past active participle to
>>>> translate english simple past.  It doesn't seem to apply visarga sandhi, a
>>>> completely mechanical process.
>>>>
>>>> In these examples, the yellow highlighted sanskrit is the citation from
>>>> Apte, the blue highlighted sanskrit is the google sanskrit translation of
>>>> Apte's english translation given below.
>>>>
>>>>  Rama saw govinda
>>>>
>>>> rāmo govindamapaśyat
>>>>
>>>> rāmaḥ govindaṁ dṛṣṭavān
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I Salute the parents of the universe, Parvati and Paramesvara.
>>>>
>>>> jagataḥ pitarau vande pārvatīparameśvarau
>>>>
>>>> viśvasya mātāpitarau pārvatīṁ parameśvaraṁ ca namāmi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He washed his hands and feet.
>>>>
>>>> hastau pādau cākṣālayat
>>>>
>>>> saḥ hastapādau prakṣālitavān।
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> She shut her eyes
>>>>
>>>> sā locane nyamīlayat |
>>>>
>>>> sā netrāṇi nimīlitavatī
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So says the revered Shankara
>>>>
>>>> iti śrīśaṁkārācāryāḥ |
>>>>
>>>> tathā vadati pūjyaḥ śaṅkaraḥ।
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thou art, therefore, a friend.
>>>>
>>>> tasmāt sakhā tvam asi
>>>>
>>>> tena tvaṁ mitram asi
>>>>
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