[INDOLOGY] Wiener Zeitschrift für die Kunde Südasiens

Mon Jul 31 20:00:38 UTC 2023

Just to clarify what I unfortunately may have said in a misleading way: i
find Gallica wonderful for its provision of excellent photos of the
Dunhuang manuscripts, for instance, as well as other things; i was speaking
only of the scans of some old journals, which are of below par quality, not
of Gallica overall.

Jonathan

On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 1:21 PM Matthew Kapstein <mattkapstein at proton.me>
wrote:

> To clarify:
> I have no association with the Journal Asiatique and am not therefore able
> to assist as Jonathan requests.
>
> My own experience as a user of Gallica, from the Bibliothèque nationale de
> France, has been entirely positive for the materials that have concerned me.
>
> Matthew T. Kapstein
> Professor emeritus
> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, PSL Research University, Paris
>
> Associate
> The University of Chicago Divinity School
>
> https://ephe.academia.edu/MatthewKapstein
>
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> ------- Original Message -------
> On Monday, July 31st, 2023 at 10:10 AM, Jonathan Silk via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> As a footnote, and perhaps a slim chance of creating a window (??), I
> recall very clearly discussions I had quite some time ago with Prof Saito
> Akira about the *Japanese Journal of Indian and Buddhist Studies* (IBK).
> The reasoning in the beginning was that the copyright for all articles in
> the journal rested with the authors, and therefore it would not be possible
> to place on line those contributions for which permission could not be
> obtained. This of course would be impossible, all the more so as
> contributors to the earlier volumes were in many cases no longer among us.
>
> I do not know how they resolved the question, but not so many years after
> our conversation (I don't recall how long it took) everything appeared
> online, and in a wonderful fashion, quite unlike --still a scandal I
> think-- what one sees from France with the *Journal Asiatique*, for
> instance, which is often virtually illegible.
>
> Also by the way, the IBK scans are linked to the inbuds.net database,
> which while not perfect is searchable in many ways, and is a genuinely
> great beginning to not only making bibliography available but linking it to
> scans, in some cases-- along with the CiNii database (
> https://cir.nii.ac.jp/), this is a more than good model for making such
> material accessible, since unlike jstor etc the inbuds database also has
> keywords and the like.
>
> Anyway, with regard to the French situation, perhaps Matthew could
> motivate some of his contacts in Paris to bring to bear modern technology
> on that currently difficult matter. Reading scans from Gallica sometimes
> evokes nightmares of trying to read the old b/w microfilms of the Narthang
> Kanjur...
>
> best,
> Jonathan
>
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 12:08 AM Karin.Preisendanz via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> Thank you for your interest.
>>
>> I had responded to Matthew immediately after he had sent his inquiry.
>>
>> Here is a slightly abbreviated version of my reply to him back then.
>>
>> ***
>>
>> The pre-1991 volumes are not available in scanned form. Even though in
>> 2013 I spent a lot of (eventually wasted) time on this matter, together
>> with the legal department of the Austrian Academy of Sciences (inasmuch
>> as its publishing house is functioning as publisher since 1991), the
>> Academy finally withdrew from the project of making the earlier volumes
>> available on JSTOR because of 1) the demand of an inordinate amount of
>> money by the still-extant successor of the Vienna publishing house
>> Hollinek that had published the earliest volumes (and, of course, long
>> forgotten about this until the inquiry came), and 2) their reluctance to
>> get into complicated negotations with Brill which was subsequently
>> acting as international "publisher on commission" until the Academy
>> publishing house took over in 1991, together with Vienna-based Gerold,
>> the second "publisher on commission", which is, however, definitely
>> defunct.
>>
>> To my knowledge, Brill never responded to the inquiry by the Academy.
>> The former Department of Indology (succeeded by the Department of South
>> Asian, Tibetan and Buddhist Studies) of the University of Vienna was the
>> main copyrighted publisher back then, but my (or the University's)
>> consent would not have been sufficient from the legal point of view to
>> provided scanned versions of the volumes before 1991. Even though no
>> online publications existed at the time the contracts were drawn up with
>> Hollinek and Brill, the agreed-upon rights for analogue publication (in
>> the latter case: the international dissemination of printed copies on
>> commission) would automatically apply to any future, different types of
>> publication.
>>
>> In the end, the Academy decided that they would not pursue the matter
>> further as the volumes were not published by them in the first place and
>> because it did not see much of a benefit for itself if these volumes
>> were available on JSTOR at their cost. The task of negotiating with
>> Hollinek and Brill would be up to JSTOR whose request had actually
>> started our deliberations. This was communicated to JSTOR, but I have
>> not heard from them again.
>>
>> However, almost all back-issues of the Journal are still available in
>> perfect condition for sale by the Department; please refer to
>>
>> https://stb.univie.ac.at/publikationsreihen/wiener-zeitschrift-fuer-die-kunde-suedasiens-wzks/bestellung/
>> or
>>
>> https://stb.univie.ac.at/en/publication-series/vienna-journal-of-south-asian-studies-wzks/order/
>> .
>>
>> I would be delighted to arrange for these volumes to be sent to you or
>> your library.
>>
>> ***
>>
>> With best regards,
>>
>> Karin Preisendanz
>>
>>
>> Am 29.07.2023 22:27, schrieb Oliver Fallon via INDOLOGY:
>> > Matthew Kapstein sent this enquiry about the WZKS almost two years
>> > ago, but it does not seem to have had a reply.
>> > I'm sure many of us would like to access early numbers of this
>> > journal. Does anyone know if there has been any progress in making
>> > them available?
>> > With thanks,
>> > Oliver
>> >
>> > On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 at 20:35, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY
>> > <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear friends,
>> >>
>> >> From 1991 on the WZKS is available on JSTOR.
>> >> Is there a accessible source for scanned copies of the pre-1991
>> >> issues?
>> >>
>> >> with thanks in advance,
>> >> Matthew
>> >>
>> >> Matthew Kapstein
>> >> Directeur d'études, émérite
>> >> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris
>> >>
>> >> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
>> >> The University of Chicago
>> >>
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