Re: [INDOLOGY] root skr̥?

[Dieter Gunkel]

Dear Madhav,

Further evidence for *skṛ-* with initial s comes from Rigvedic sandhi,
where word-final *-s* is retained before forms derived from the root *kṛ-*.
Where forms of *kṛ-* are involved, -*s* is retained even in contexts where
we do not find "close sandhi" in the Rigveda, e.g. between a direct object
and a verb: *kaniṣṭhá āha catúras karéti* "The youngest said, 'I'll make
four.'" (4.33.5c).

The same sandhi behavior holds for the bardic family name *káṇva-*, where
the *s* is preserved in the Kanvid name *práskaṇva-*. Likewise in *kaví-*,
where Germanic cognates such as present-day German *schauen* 'to look'
exhibit a root-initial *s*.

For a thorough discussion, you can check this paper:

Hale, Mark. 1990. “Preliminaries to the Study of the Relationship between
Sandhi and Syntax in the Language of the Rigveda.” *Münchener Studien zur
Sprachwissenschaft* 51:77–96.

All the best,

Dieter

On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 6:54 PM Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Hello Hans,
>
>      The fact that R̥gveda 10.127.3 has *askr̥ta* but the Padapāṭha has
> *akr̥ta*, probably explains why Pāṇini did not include a root *skr̥*, but
> only proposed a contextual insertion or augmentation with "*s"*. Best,
>
> Madhav
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 3:24 PM Hock, Hans Henrich <hhhock at illinois.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Addition: A Sanskrit example of *s-*mobile would be the coexistence of a
>> root *tan-* and a root *stan-, *both meaning ‘thunder’
>>
>>
>> Dear Madhav and All,
>>
>> There is also *pari-ṣkṛta-**. *Unfortunately, Mayrhofer could not find
>> any convincing parallels outside Sanskrit. However, there is a general
>> phenomenon in Indo-European, called *s*-mobile (the varying presence or
>> absence of a root-initial * s*). The Wikipedia entry "
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_s-mobile” has a useful
>> summary, as well as some relevant references. (An alternative, but more
>> speculative explanation would be that in structures like *namaskṛ* the
>> *s* was reinterpreted as a simplification of earlier *ss* (similar to
>> *asi* ‘you are’ for expected * as-si*, not also the Vedic external
>> sandhi for *-s#st* etc.) and that this led to the notion that there is
>> an alternative root form *skṛ-*.)
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Hans
>>
>>
>> On 29 Oct2020, at 16:58, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> In R̥gveda 10.127.3 there is a verb form *askr̥ta* showing the trace of
>> the root *skr̥*.  The Padapāṭha of Śākalya presents this form as *
>> akr̥ta*, indicating that the root *skr̥ *as an independent root is no
>> longer recognized. What is going on? Can one presume that forms like
>> *saṃskaroti* where Pāṇini prescribes the insertion of "s" are actually
>> survivals of this earlier root *skr̥*.  Please suggest references that I
>> can look up.
>>
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>
>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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