[INDOLOGY] The Mirror in Vedic India: Its ancient use and present relevance in dating texts

[Nagaraj Paturi]

Dear Prof. Ask Parpola,

Can we be sure that the authors of Upanishads were so isolated from the
India that used mirrors by the time they were authoring those texts?

While we see Dravidian and south Indian linguistic and other elements in
various Vedic texts and Sanskrit , can we propose this isolation
selectively in the case of these texts?

Another crucial question is how sure can we be of the exhaustive coverage
every piece of material culture, floors or fauna of known to a linguistic
group in their texts? Can absence of a word be taken as evidence for the
absence of the entity indicated by it?



On Thu, Mar 7, 2019, 2:16 PM Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Dominik,
>
>
> Thank you for pointing out this recurring slip of mind:  I repeatedly (pp.
> 3, 4, 21 and 23 [thrice]) wrongly write ākāśa- when I mean ādarśa-
> ‘mirror’.  Dear colleagues, please excuse this mistake and note the
> correction.
>
> With best wishes, Asko
>
>
> On 4 Mar 2019, at 2.17, Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Asko,
>
> Your paper is very helpful, as many have already said.
>
> I am puzzled by your use of  "ākāśa" sometimes where I would expect you to
> say "ādarśa".   Am I missing something?  I have to admit, I haven't read
> your 2018 prākāśa article.
>
> Best,
> Dominik
>
> --
> Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
> ,
>
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
> ,
>
> Department of History and Classics
> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
> ,
> University of Alberta, Canada
> .
>
> South Asia at the U of A:
>
> sas.ualberta.ca
>
>
>
> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 03:53, Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>>
>> Some time ago there was a query about the date of the Upanishads.  I have
>> a new answer to this question in my paper
>>
>> The Mirror in Vedic India: Its ancient use and its present relevance in
>> dating texts
>>
>> published today in: Studia Orientalia Electronica vol. 7 (2019): 1-29. A
>> pdf is downloadable at
>>
>> https://journal.fi/store/issue/view/5490
>>
>> Here is the abstract:
>>
>> The major first part of the paper collects as exhaustively as possible
>> all mentions of words for ‘mirror’ occuring in Vedic literature (c.1200–300
>> bce). The occurrences are presented with sufficient context in Sanskrit
>> and English in order to show how and why the mirror was used in Vedic
>> rituals and Vedic culture in general, and what meaning was ascribed to it.
>> The second part of the paper discusses a fact of major significance that
>> emerges from this documentation: in the extensive older Vedic literature
>> of the Saṃhitās, Brāhmaṇas, Āraṇyakas and Śrautasūtras (excepting
>> the late Kātyāyana-Śrautasūtra), there is no reference to the mirror at
>> all. This suggests that the mirror was not known in Vedic India until it
>> was introduced to South Asia by the Persian Empire at the end of the sixth
>> century bce. The later Vedic literature, starting with the early
>> Upaniṣads and comprising also the Gṛhyasūtras and
>> Kātyāyana-Śrautasūtra, would therefore postdate 500 bce. In other
>> words, the ‘mirror’ words seem to offer a criterion that for the first time
>> enables a division of the Vedic literature into two clearly separate phases
>> of development. Equally important is the firm historical basis that the
>> mirror provides for dating the transition point.
>>
>> With best regards and wishes, Asko
>>
>>
>> Asko Parpola, Ph.D.
>> Professor emeritus of Indology
>> University of Helsinki
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